I'm Charlotte McLeod with investingnews.com and here today with me is John Feneck, portfolio manager and consultant at Feneck Consulting. Thank you so much for being here. Great to have you. Great to be back. Thanks, Charlotte. Of course, always good to have you here and we are in some interesting times. There's lots for us to go into in the markets. But before we do, I know you have conferences coming up next year, so I thought we could hear the details on those. Oh, thanks for mentioning. Um so yes, we
do have two in May of next year. Um we've been doing uh Florida. Now this is our third trip to the Four Seasons uh oceanfront Florida uh resort in Fort Lauderdale, which uh for those hotel bugs um is the only five-diamond resort in the uh county. Um it's a three-year-old hotel, so strategically I picked this when we when they started to open uh their conference area because it's so beautiful there and everyone likes to stay at a nice hotel at a new hotel, right? So um I think the people there do a great
job from a service perspective, but more importantly, we we have a great number of companies that are interested in attending there and we love to have some of your listeners check us out. I know uh Toronto, Vancouver aren't easy trips to Florida, um but um you know, if if if people do live in the states and want to check us out, that's uh easy, you know, um direct flight to uh Fort Lauderdale or to Miami. The other one we're doing right before that is in Washington, D.C. And that's going to be at the Grand Hyatt
right downtown near the White House. Um I spent over 20 years in Washington, so I know a lot of investors there. Um I think it's going to be a great conference. Um a lot of these investors wouldn't normally attend attend a mining conference because they're financial advisors or hedge funds or private equity, but that was the world that I came from prior to getting into metals and mining. So I think, you know, if companies are listening, we're going to have a tremendous turnout there. Um and
um I helped the precious metals, excuse me, the Precious Summit team who does Beaver Creek and Zurich um with bringing companies to their event in D.C. about a year and a half ago and it was very successful. So that's going to be May 17th through 19th in Washington, May 20th through 22nd in Fort Lauderdale. Hopefully we'll have some details in the the show notes. Yes, very good. We'll add the details, some links in the video description so people can check it out if they would like to. Let's move on to
talking about what's happening with gold. So we're catching up after our last conversation about two months ago. So a lot has happened since then. We saw gold run up to new all-time highs and now we're still pretty close to all-time highs, but we're in a pullback. And I'm wondering if you can talk about where you see support and resistance right now for the metal. Yeah, sure. So, you know, we had that consolidation area here on the chart uh earlier this year for about four months, which was,
you know, let's call it 3,500, 3,600. You know, obviously that to me is is major support right now. Um we're recording this slightly under 4,000, so, you know, uh yes, we peaked out um uh at much higher prices, but it was in my opinion that was sort of a parabolic move. Um but, you know, gold is telling you something, right? When you see a move like that in a commodity like gold that is known for safety and its safe haven characteristics, um that is telling you something. And I don't know
exactly what that is. Uh I could I could guess. Um it's telling you that some of the things we've seen with the Fed just yesterday uh with Trump and and Xi just hours ago from this reporting uh may not be coming true, right? Like I don't think US-China sings Kumbaya and and high-fives each other here for for weeks and months to go. This is a week of uh good constructive talk, great, but I just don't think they they see that as a trend going forward into next year. And I think that's what's you're seeing
on Wall Street and and on Bay Street in Toronto. Uh which is a divergence of investors. Both both camps quite smart. One is looking more uh you know, the Ray Dalio, Stan Druckenmiller billionaire crowd that I'm a part of, not being a billionaire at all, but that I follow, um that is saying, "Look, you know, the world isn't as stable as other, you know, world leaders are telling you or the Fed is telling you that everything's okay. If you just come to the US and travel around and try to
stay in hotels and go to Disney and do the things that a lot of, you know, tourists do, you're going to come away pretty poor, right? Like it is expensive to do stuff here now. Um I was just reading that Japan, you know, has a Disney that's like a fraction of the cost of of just going to Florida or California here. It's crazy. Um so so um I don't think the US consumer is going to be as strong as Powell, Trump, insert, you know, leader here in the US thinks. And and look at Amazon just a a
couple of hours ago also laying off a a good number of workers right before Christmas. Like when's the last time you saw that, right? Like that Amazon is the go-to uh as far as I'm concerned from a retail perspective for many years now in the US. So I I there's a lot of things, you know, that camp that I'm talking about, the gold-silver camp, um makes a good point, right? But the other side of things is the momentum uh you know, investor side, which is in my view a lot of the crypto uh stuff, um a
lot of the tech stuff, which is prevalent through the Mag 7. Um [snorts and clears throat] you know, you can go down a list of other, you know, risky or riskier investments. And that, you know, group hasn't done badly either this year, right? So like there's two different camps. I've been talking about this on your show all year as they've been forming. We've been seeing them melt up where gold and the S&P are literally just like melting up together, which is very rare in history. And so
the S&P has held up a little bit better than gold over the last few weeks. My thought is who cares? Like this is not permanent. The S&P's in trouble. I mean, like if you're, you know, I again I I say this every time we record. I don't mean to be a broken record, but I try to really help investors and and and helping investors, let me say this. Most of your money is probably in your 401k if you're looking at retirement, your retirement money. And a lot of that money is at risk because the S&P has 45%
in technology stocks as of August 31st. I mean, it it's heavy heavy overweight one sector. Anytime that's happened in history, you've had a bubble burst. And just go back and look at the 1999 to 2000 or 2000 to 2001 time period where this happened. Um or '08-'09, you know, wasn't as bad back then. The tech thing was more prevalent in the late '90s into the early 2000s. But I would argue that the overweighted tech back then was 25-30%. It wasn't 45%. And now you combine that overweight
with, you know, algorithmic buying and selling, you know, increased velocity, um that's really dangerous. And investors can wake up, you know, if they're not paying attention a few weeks later and say, "Oh my gosh, I just lost, you know, 10-15% of my retirement savings." It's not um that far-fetched. And why I say that is just look at the price action we saw this this April when Trump had the, you know, Liberation Day in the US. Um Apple lost over 20% of its value in five trading days. Um of course
it's made it all back and then some, but but that was scary for a lot of investors, right? I think you could see a period of time, Charlotte, next year or the year after where we don't have the quick snapback rally, you know? Um I was calling for a correction here by November. I mean, it isn't November yet as we record this, but it's darn close. So let's just say I'm wrong. Um I think that uh things take time to develop. Um and and let me just touch on one more economic point and I'll let you ask any
other questions. August 1st to me was a major major deal. Um that was nonfarm payrolls uh in the US that when it missed, when the US government was open. Remember those days? Um and um it missed badly. Uh and and they reset the previous two reads back 258,000 jobs. So major revision down. And to me gold-silver got a huge bid that day. GDX and GDXJ got a huge bid that week going after that. That's telling you like smart smart money's still out there on our side, right? And they're seeing this. Again, the two
camps, right? Like the the camp that we described earlier, the first camp, said, "Wow, that was a really bad miss and the US economic condition may be worse than I expect. Hence, let me buy some safety in gold-silver and gold miners where, you know, you have more safety than you would in the broad market." So many good points there and many paths for us to follow down. I think I'll I'll I think I can tell where you're going just by everything you've laid out there. But for gold, I've been seeing
this all week. I've been seeing among our audience here, many people are looking at this and saying, "All right, the price is down. This is a chance for me to buy because it's going higher." But there is there are people who are looking at it and wondering, "Well, I'm not sure. Is this it for gold?" So for you, gold has further to go. I know for 2025 we are past your your initial figure that you were looking for for the price this year. So, have you got another target in mind for either the
end of 2025 or price you're looking for in 2026? Um I didn't reset, you know, our price this year. We had a uh you know, a buy this summer kind of number of 3,500, which was pretty darn accurate, but then 3,800 was our year-end target, as you know, and we just got smoked there uh thankfully. I love being wrong to the downside and any thanks to you I think next year by the time we interview again next time I'm sure I'll have our 2026 kind of look at outlook for gold and silver. But I'll give you
silver right now. I mean silver broke 50 since we last talked. And silver is our largest holding. We've been talking up silver all year. Last year we were talking down silver despite it still being our biggest holding because we didn't think it would have the torque last year and this year we did and we thought that because it broke 30 like butter. 30 was major major resistance for 11 and silver. You can go back and look at a long dated chart going back going back to 1980. It's it's pretty amazing that it went
through 30 like that. But then it you know, it found resistance around 35. Eventually broke 35, came up to that 40 number no problem. 42 to 43 was kind of problematic, which we also had told our followers, you know, we have a real-time email service. So we're literally emailing this kind of stuff on a weekly basis. Um and then once we broke 42 to 43, we literally said to guys and girls that follow us, hey guys, seriously, this is going to be 50 bucks. Like there's nothing between 43 and 50
here and we were right. What surprised me was that we cracked through 50 so easily. Like you know, that was really surprising to me cuz if you go back and look at that 1980 to to current chart, I mean we we were at 50 bucks twice in history and for a few hours each time. This wasn't like a sustained 50. And this time has been a sustained 50, right? We're recording this between 46 and 47. But I think silver goes right back to 50 by year-end. I don't I don't think that you're going to have a
problem with the 50 range. Which is really exciting going into next year. So when you inflation adjust $50 for 2011-2012 prices, you're looking at 66 to 70 bucks and that's really what we're thinking right now for silver next year. Well, that is very good to go into. So we've got the silver and we'll come back to you next time we talk and see what you're thinking in 2026 for gold. I also wanted to talk about the Fed today because we had the latest meeting this week. We got a 25 basis
point interest rate cut as I think was very widely expected. But we know that the real commentary it tends to come when you read between the lines of what Jerome Powell says after the meeting. So I'm wondering what you would pull out for investors to notice there. Yeah, the biggest change to his positioning on October 29th was really early in his comments that around 2:30 Eastern. Um when he was saying that there was quite a bit of dissension amongst voters. If you go back into the 1990s, there
wasn't a lot of dissension. A lot of these votes are unanimous. A lot of them have one dissenter, but like this was something he pointed out numerous times in the press conference. We won't know until we get the minutes, you know, as to who was dissenting against who. But it doesn't really matter. It's telling you that the Fed is well, according to Powell, the Fed was you know, basically like on the on the fence about a December rate cut, which I think is nuts because if you look at the CME Fed Watch
Tool, which we've shown your listeners before, it's a free website. I looked at it as he was speaking and there was a 90.3 probability that this was going to be a cut. Now they went down to 88% after his speech, but it's still let's see I'm not looking at it now. Let's say it's 75. It's still a probability that we're going to get a cut December 10th, right? And so like I think I think he may have covered his bases by saying that kind of commentary because we haven't been given
current data in about 4 weeks because of the US shutdown, right? So he was saying, hey, we're relying on a lot of private data and other stuff and that's fair. I mean this doesn't happen very much in US history, right? So we just got a delayed CPI read, which wasn't problematic, but we haven't gotten those non-farm payrolls numbers. We haven't gotten certain pieces of data that the Fed would typically rely on to kind of look at, you know, the path forward. All this to say I think December 10th is
still a 25 basis point cut as we record this and I think that Powell gets I know that Powell has his term up next year, right? So there is going to be someone else leading the US Fed yet. I would if I if anyone's a betting man or woman, I bet that Trump has an idea of who he wants to put in that role and they're no t going to be anti rate cuts. So so I think that that backdrop, right? If I'm correct, is extremely bullish for gold and silver versus the hawkish kind of tone that Powell just had yesterday. I think
that's a really good overview there and yeah, it sounds like we'll have to wait and see on a lot of points. I was going to ask you if you have any thoughts on who the next Fed chair could be. I've seen headlines articles saying there are five people under consideration. A lot can change before we get to the actual date when it happens, but any any initial thoughts and and what the impact could be. No, I would just say that look at Trump's work in his previous, you know, uh um period of time as president, he
got what he wanted out of the Supreme Court. What makes you think that he wouldn't do the same with the Fed? Like I I really feel as a real estate mogul, he wants lower rates. Everything in his portfolio is rate sensitive, right? So like I I I really think that is something that investors need to be understanding of. Like we we were on your show last summer, if you remember, when Biden lost that debate really badly and I just said, hey, this is like kind of an all in moment for Trump. I think I recorded
with you maybe a week or two after that. And we started to reposition our portfolio to US assets, not just North American assets because I thought in a Trump win we would see support for the mining business because non-farm payrolls would wane at some point in 2026. Uh or 2025, excuse me. And um uh you know, it's been better than anything in my wildest dreams. I mean Trump's executive order in March was like the the kickoff in writing to, you know, tell his his staff, hey, get all of these projects on
my desk within 10 or 15 days, whatever it was. And then April he doubled down with fast tracking a bunch of mines in the US. And you know, again, this is like 40th page news for the average investor. They don't care, but we care, right? The people listening to your show right now care because this is important. a change of behavior away from, hey, we're never going to permit your mines to, hey, we're really thinking about finding ways to be more constructive towards permitting, which is really really
bullish for stocks and you're seeing those mining stocks starting to, you know, respond. To give you a couple of examples there. American Tungsten, TUNGF in the States, TUNG in Canada. You know, they're a past producer in Idaho. Ali has come on and done a really good job this year of being more communicative I'd say to the public about what their plans are and he's providing at least two construction updates in the last 3 months that I've seen in their public news. So it keeps people focused, right? Like
you see the price of tungsten going up up. You see China and US kind of banging heads. China is the biggest producer of tungsten. Like you can start to put together an idea of, hey, this stock should do pretty well if if China cuts off supply to the US, which I still feel is on the table for next year. I don't see anything this week that's going to change that dramatically. But the stock was around 340 a share, 350 a share just a couple weeks ago. It's trading at a dollar 36 right now.
So they did a financing in the middle of that, Charlotte, as you know, when companies do financing, sometimes it dilutes current shareholders, but I I mean look, I I don't think it's that big of a deal. Like they don't have a blown out share structure. They're in they're in the right part of the world. I know they're advancing the project. So again, you have to look at what's the path for that company? Well, they want to put out a 43-101. They want to you know, drill.
Their raise indicates there's a lot of interest out there because they upsized the financing, etc. So, you know, we we'd be buyers of TUNGF here based on the pullback from 350 a share to 136. I mean, maybe 350 was too high. 136 is too low. Um another one in in tungsten while we're talking critical minerals that's flying under the radar to us is Triumph Gold. Again, nothing in the name about tungsten. But they have quite a bit of it on their Utah property. So this is a Canadian US
play. It's TIGCF in the states, TIG in Canada. I met John Anderson just this year. John's got a tremendous track record in mining. He's been doing it for many many years. And he's taught me a lot about how undervalued the property is. You know, they only have, let's say, a million and a half ounces of gold identified in the Yukon, but on that same property they have 15 million pounds of tungsten. So, when you look at a company, you have to look at how can they, you know, legally
tell the public about what they have, right? And there's different things. 43-101 is one of those instruments. A PEA, a preliminary economic assessment, is another. PFS, FS, and then a construction decision, just to make it real real simple. But that could take years and years to get through those five phases, many years. Um, Triumph put out a PEA, I think 12 or 13 years ago, and they haven't put out an update in what since. So, as a value manager, you look at these things. This is all in their public documents, right?
And so, I called up John this year and I said, "Hey, you know, tell me about your property. Like, why haven't you spent the money to update that PEA?" And he said, "John, you know, the market wasn't rewarding me to put out drill results and and press releases over the last couple of years, so I haven't. But I I hear you. I see I see that gold now is breaking out, and we're planning to, you know, get things moving." And after that, he bought a silver property in
Utah. So, I thought that was a good move because the Yukon had some black eyes this year for Victoria Gold. I I think that's overblown because Triumph's property is a couple hundred miles away, I think, from Victoria. It's nothing to do with that region. Um, but but again, diversifying away from his Canadian property only into America, really good call. And he did that for pennies on the dollar. His project in Utah only cost 150,000 bucks plus some stock. So, really really cheap. And he plans to
drill that when they raise money again. So, you know, those are two names in the critical space to, you know, share with your listeners that, you know, in full disclosure, we own, but we're adding to on dips. You know, Triumph got really really cheap here recently. We added to it, and we're suggesting, you know, to that we may be doing the same thing in American Tungsten here. Really good to get the the critical minerals updates there. I do think it's so important to be looking at that sector right now
because of this government interest. I think I was a little skeptical at first because you get government saying, "Oh, yeah, we're going to do this. We're going to provide support." But it really seems to be coming through. So, again, very good to go through that. And I'll ask you as well about updates on the precious metals companies you're following because, of course, that's also pretty hot right now. Yeah, of course. So, we've talked about silver many times
in your show, and silver stocks that we like, and all of those have really worked out. I can't really think of anything in the silver space we've mentioned that has been a dud. Aftermath Silver has been a lights-out name that we've talked about on your show before. Lights-out in the sense that we've talked about it at, you know, 14 cents, 17 cents, 21 cents. You know, it's trading at 53 cents right now. So, the stock hit 81 cents recently on heavy volume. It's pulled back quite a bit.
And again, like American Tungsten, when you see a pullback in a bull market, you have to buy that pullback. It's a gift that we're getting pullbacks of this much in percentage terms because the stock today is at 52 cents. So, 81 to 52 is not a small correction. That's, to me, a large correction. Um, and so, we bought more literally today. And the ticker there is AAGFF in the states, AAG in Canada. Um, but again, 140 million ounces of silver. So, one of our strategies has been buy small companies that are undervalued
that have a lot of ounces in the ground, whether that's tungsten, whether that's gold, silver, it doesn't matter. We think that we're going to be, you know, in an environment in 2026 and 2027 when bigger companies are going to say, "I need those resources, and I will pay you for them." Um, another one is Blackrock Silver that we just started to track. Uh, BK RRF in the states. And Andrew and I met about two years ago at a conference. Um, they've really done a great job of
of advancing that project since we met. They they claim to have about 100 million ounces right now of silver. So, not as much as Aftermath, but also, I would argue, in a better jurisdiction in Nevada. Um, and that chart really has taken off. Um, BK RRF. Um, yeah, that that's basically just um, sorry, I think I misspoke. BK RRF. Um, but but really interesting story there. Good um, news this week from an analyst that upgraded the stock to a much higher price target um, than we're trading at right now. Um, I
think analysts in our sector in general need to do a better job of talking to people like Andrew and and Ralph and Michael and trying to get the story. Um, you know, they can only do so much with limited data out there, right? But these companies will be putting out, you know, different reports to show the advancement of their projects, and analysts need to be ready to upgrade these stocks to save face because some of these stocks are really really undervalued. They're going higher, and a lot of these analysts are asleep at the
wheel. Don't don't just take my word for it. Look at Newmont, you know, earnings last week, NEM, killed their earnings estimate. Stock went down 7 and a half percent because this can only happen in gold. >> [laughter] >> But it has since rebounded. Um, Agnico today, AEM, um, another huge beat, and that stock was rewarded. Sometimes timing really matters, Charlotte, for like an analyst report on Blackrock or an earnings report like we just discussed. Um, good day for gold and silver today. Agnico is
up nicely. Um, I remember when Newmont put their report out, you know, the market was down that day. So, you kind of have to look at that and say, "Let's let's just look at the numbers, right? The numbers don't lie." Um, if if Agnico's all-in sustaining cost per ounce was 1373 an ounce, uh, gold's at 4,000, big round number, let's just say, right? How are you how are you not making killer margins in that scenario? It doesn't matter whether it's called Agnico or ABC Mining. I always
like to show clients that are skeptical, uh, if I'm in person at a conference or something, "Hey, here's a chart, you know, of this company. Here's the metrics of like their all-in sustaining cost, their their revenue growth, blah blah blah. Would you buy that stock?" And 99 out of 100 times, it's yes. And then I show them it's a gold stock, they're like, "Oh, yeah, I I don't buy gold stocks." So, you know, our portfolio right now is heavily overweighted towards gold and silver. I
gave you a couple of small silver names there, and I gave you a couple big gold names. And I'll lastly just touch on Mexico, because you and I had talked about that 6 to 8 weeks ago. Cuz I was at Beaver Creek at the time, and I had seen a lot of people from Mexico at the conference. I think Mexico is turning the corner. Um, they have permitted quite a few mines this year, and that really isn't um, getting recognized by the investing public because they've been permitting underground stuff, not the open pit
stuff. Now, open pit um, is something I think China will have to look at by next year because they aren't doing great from an economic perspective, either, Mexico. And this is going to, you know, just create a ton of jobs. Um, so, you know, we mentioned three names on your show last time. We mentioned Sonora Gold, SMOFF, um, and SGO in Canada. We mentioned Gold Group, which is GG and then lastly we mentioned Quest Corp, which is Now, they're all different in terms of where they are. Gold Group has been one
of the best performing gold stocks year to date. I haven't seen too many stocks up as much um, with the kind of volume increase that they've experienced. Um, they just bought the San Francisco mine, which has 1.4 million ounces of gold. I know they've worked uh, for about three years to get there. So, a lot of times when you read these headlines, you think that, you know, someone was acquiescing and giving, you know, a company like Gold Group this project for for X price, but it's a lot of
negotiation back and forth. And and there were multiple bidders involved there. So, um, Eric Sprott, who I have a lot of respect for, just came into Gold Group this year for the first time. I I want I can't give you the exact percentage cuz I don't have it in front of me, but I know it was like a 12 to 14% position, which got my attention. And he did that a few months back, so it wasn't like ancient history. Um, the other stocks we just talked about, Sonora Gold, um, I just did an interview
with the chairman and the CEO, which you guys can search up on YouTube. If you just put in my name and Sonora Gold, you'll see it there with my partner, Don Durett. Um, Don loves this stock. He thinks it's very very undervalued. He likes the low CAPEX that the stock has. I do, too. I think that when you're looking at any stock, whether it's gold, silver, copper, it doesn't matter, you have to look at what it's going to cost to build that project, and that's what we call
cap x and their cap x is extremely small. I think they could finance part of it with debt. So it's not as diluted as other mines that you'd see out there, right? Also their all-in sustaining cost per ounce is quite low already. But remember that was done that report was done at a much lower gold price much like we just talked about with Triumph Gold where once companies update that report Charlotte it can be a real re-rating in the stock. Sometimes it does nothing but there's potential there and
they told us on the interview which is public news that they plan to update their PEA next year. So that's another catalyst for that stock that has nothing to do with permitting. And lastly Quest Port I saw Saf the CEO a couple weeks ago at the Stockholm conference I was speaking at and he was telling me that you know we only put out a couple of drill holes right now but given the environment that we're in we plan to raise you know some money and to drill more holes, right? So I think that's a great strategy because in a hot
market this is exactly when you want to drill especially if you trust your geologist and you trust the property, right? Like this is when you go for it. You don't go for it 3 years ago. Easy to say you know looking back in the rearview mirror but clearly if you know how to look at charts which I do gold is taking off, right? Like this is when as a gold stock like the three I just named you want to drill for gold like yeah it seems like you know how how hard is this to figure out? But but many companies
are still kind of like well we're seeing if this is a real if this rally is real or whatever it's like come on I mean all the companies I just mentioned to you are going for it. And that's what we like. We like people that are decisive and are committed to their shareholder base. Good update there as well and for everybody who's listening we will have those names and tickers in the video description. I know we always get asked what are the what are the names so they will all be there and I will let you go
for now unless you had any final thoughts that you would leave investors with right now. Well we have three services Charlotte one is an email service we talked about like a real time email service and where that's valuable is like on a day like yesterday with the Fed, right? We put out something 5 minutes I'd say later than Powell got off stage and it was a good summary of what was happening. We were disagreeing with Powell being hawkish we said you know again this doesn't the fact that he's talking about
December possibly being off table is a change of tone. However, it's not something that's realistic. It's it's like the Fed is is in a corner right now. So we took a a different stance I think that a lot of my competitors would have taken but my my clients are getting this literally 5 minutes after it was said. So that's the benefit to our service over a newsletter which I also have for a lower price because I had to have them, right? I've been writing a newsletter for 4 and 1/2
years now but the real time email service we've had for 6 years and it really separates us from the the pack because not only do you get emails on a regular basis for me you get all of our interviews like this transcribed by me. So I tell people hey I talked about this with Charlotte at this time just to clarify you know da da da da so people understand like what I was talking about because I realize this is a kind of fast paced. And they get all of our holdings we're very transparent so there's a lot
there's a lot that goes into our real time service which is known as the mining report on our website. In addition to that they can buy calls. So a lot of clients are confused coming out of a period of time where gold and silver stocks didn't do that well the last few years. Now they're in a period like they see the opportunity but they still own stocks that haven't done very well, right? And they they need sometimes just to talk to someone get it off their chest to say like my financial advisor
really doesn't understand what I own and we can't tell them buy sell hold we're not a licensed advisor anymore but what we can do is say you know hey I was just talking about this on Charlotte's show I was just buying American Tungsten at a dollar 36, right? Like so you know this is something that I have more conviction. All right. Well we'll have all your information in the video description and thank you so much for coming on today to go over everything. I think we covered
once again a lot of ground. Yeah my pleasure Charlotte. Thanks a lot. Of course and once again I'm Charlotte McLeod with investingnews.com and this is John Feneck of Feneck Consulting. Thank you for watching. If you like this video make sure you hit the [music] like button and subscribe to our channel. We'd also love to hear your thoughts so leave us a comment below. >> [music]
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