and when I stumble into this chart I was immediately you know thinking my brain just couldn't stop thinking about what do I do to participate in this because I believe strongly that the gold cycle will start and it will be one of the most important historical breakouts we're going to see in the history of the metal and if that happens the high beta version of the go of gold is silver and I think silver is going to break out and won't um just retest the prior highs it's going to go likely go much higher
than that and so how do I find leverage without using debt uh but really looking for smart ways to elocate Capital of myself my clients and family to then uh to really Express that view in the markets where if silver does break out I really capitalize on [Music] this hi and welcome to this video I've got Tavi Costa from from crescat Capital with me once again toi how are you doing I'm great Mike how are you excellent excellent so uh you came out with another investor uh letter recently your
update to investors and I just wanted to uh take people through this a little so I want to share my screen here and uh what we've got here is byow sell high as the your first chart here is repeated so uh let's just go through this a little bit and the first thing that you show is the incredible you know this a lot of this uh was covered in my recent book uh the overvaluation of the stock markets real estate uh just everything I you know I people were calling it I was one of the first to call it the everything
bubble years ago but then I realized a couple years out into it that it's not the everything bubble it's the almost everything bubble yeah and the real trick is finding the one or two things that there are in all of of society and all of the economy that is undervalued because there's just not that much these days so um do you want to take us through this and just pick out the charts that that you want to describe and sort of share what your thoughts are about the most important things about
because I view the entire stock market the entire economy as very wared and Twisted by uh the world's central banks and by the the way Banking and and the financial sector Works in general and every once in a while uh the forces of the free market come along and cause a correction a leveling of all of the different sectors that get Warped out of and they when it does that Snapback it's very F painful for people that are on the wrong side of things yeah look I use the term by low sell High because it's such a simple
term but so complex for investors to actually apply that in real life because there's always a new narrative and something that claims to be uh The New Normal and it's never The New Normal it's just cyclical in its nature and this chart is just telling you that there is there are great opportunities to be buying in the stock market and there's some things you should maybe avoid because of the risk and so the chart is looking at market cap to GDP it's Warren Buffett's favorite way of of
measuring valuation in equity markets and you can see here the the on the going to the right side you're seeing the most undervalued they have Argentina Mexico um you know Russia some other Emerging Markets or South American economies and some other developed economies too you have some European countries to me the one theme that you can find very easily in the bottom there is certainly the South America countries the ones that are resourcer economies that you can see Argentina being the Striking one uh but certainly across the
entire region right um and then on the other side of it you have the expensive economies the ones that you should are completely unnecessary in terms of risk um and the fact that you have us at 180 uh percent of of market cap to GDP uh that is you know an enormous amount in terms of over Val and this is not the only term I mean if you look at other multiples of the equity Market that you have covered uh the cape ratio being one the cyclically adjusted PE ratio you can look at medium terms of many fundamental
metrics majority of them show you that us is historically overvalue and so to me a lot of things are linked it's it's hard assets are cheap gold is cheap silver is cheap economies that have higher exposure to those uh hard assets are also very cheap value stocks are cheap relative to growth and so um this chart is just one way to illustrate that that whole thesis maybe we can go to the next one unless you have another point you want to make well you know um in my book I cover this but when you take the
average number of work hours that it takes to equal the points on the S&P there's an equilibrium and we're about 10 times higher than that equilibrium right now it had never exceeded 40 in the past it was always somewhere between 10 and 40 hours with an an equilibrium an average of about 22 I think it was and we're up uh I mean it everything is totally insane for this entire Century the highest value at previous Peak when it came to uh the buffet indicator here market cap to GDP uh was the year 2000
with the tech bubble and we are way beyond that right now and uh the uh us average going back to the beginning of the uh Buffett indic data uh is about 60% of GDP if you're not including the bubble century and uh but if you go globally it's about 30% of GDP is normal and so I just see that that uh we've all gone insane and someday this will come back to haunt us yeah so then I go on to talk about AI Paradox other things this is another chart that shows the relative performance of L American stocks again
is kind of emphasizing the region of um of Latin America relative to the S&P 500 specifically you can see a double bottom for those who don't know that's a technical term that when you retest the prior lows usually it's a time you want to be buying so this is the case there um and then going further I call this a new investment cycle and the whole idea really is predicated on the history of the Commodities chart which is coming next okay keep going lower there we go and so you have basically from incrementum AG
roony shared this data with me I've been looking at this data for some time now it's basically looking at the commodity prices going back to the early 1900s and what is fascinating about this mic is the fact that we've had throughout history three real inflationary decades meaning where inflation runs hotter than historical standards those were the 1910s the 1940s in the 1970s obviously we live through inflationary uh forces throughout the whole history but those particularly uh DEC decades had other issues that really
reinforc uh those those problems even further but what is important here is that during those three decades that are the first ones where you have the arrows in this chart you also had a commodity cycle so um three inflation decades three commodity cycles and then the fourth one that is the fourth area there is going back to the early 2000s in which we didn't really see an inflationary era during that time but what we saw was China having a manufacturing boom they were building their economy and that drove the
Commodities uh Market in a large way the demand side and today I would argue that we're seeing both things at once we're seeing the inflation cycle at the very early stages of one and the second thing is the G7 economies not China only but G7 economies really doing a manufacturing revamp to reduce reliability with other authoritarian regimes and so countries or or even businesses are going above and beyond to instead of doing a coste efficient approach they're changing that to secure
their Logistics and so that's creating a boom of Commodities uh that we're yet to see in the much bigger way and that ultimately because this is the whole idea here ultimately drives gold prices because I've never seen a gold cycle that wasn't driven with int ending with uh with the commodity cycle too so they're all involved in the same idea yeah I absolutely agree um this is an important chart right here uh this isn't mentioned by a lot of um analysts uh and it it's very important to it's an
inflation gauge as well right absolutely yes so this one's looking at World container index and this is um one index there's another Shanghai index that in China that is showing the similar problem where uh the freight index or cost is going up uh in this case was going up about 60% in one week and then some folks came up and and argue with me and said hey but this is just a red SE yeah you know I think what one issue that a lot of analysts are having is seeing this inflation problem as
isolated events so you have especially the geopolitical side with de globalization intensifying over time time A lot of people are seeing this as you know they're just independent things and they are not they're all linked they're interconnected in a much bigger way and there's it's the real reason why you're you know we believe we're entering an inflationary era it's de globalization at first it's labor cost that is likely to rise you've got the fiscal stimulus that is larger than
other decades uh and and The Chronic under investments in in in natural resources so if you're looking to protect Capital especially from a purchasing power standpoint I can't think of another thing but precious metals to to do that for you so to me that's that's uh ultimately what this funnels into in terms of an investment thesis yes and effect yeah and eff that we might be entering a secondary uh inflation wave because inflation develops through waves as you know very well Mike yeah so this next chart the uh
percent of yield curve inversions and you have under there a graph of how many months that a the yield curve has stayed Above This 70% level so tell us about all of this because I see this as an extremely important graph yeah and and it is I so a lot of people have done work in the yield curving version in 2018 I've created this indicators a percentage of yield curving versions some people are going to give me uh some uh some B time for this but actually presented to the IMF this idea and and
uh and the whole point was to calculate looking at the entire yield curve instead of looking at independent spreads then calculating how many of those spreads are actually inverted and this is what the the top line of this chart is doing so 80% of spreads today are actually inverted and the bottom line is looking at okay when you go above hang hang on before we go in there just give us a simple uh explanation of what a yield curve inversion is and then how many different uh yields that you're
measuring here to get this 70% because it's 70% of what how many different inversions and what is an inversion just so the audience really grasps how important this is Yeah so basically your the calculation is taking all 45 possible mathematical spreads in the yield curve so think of all the possible uh interest rates durations in the yield curve so meaning you have the the 12mth yield the one month yield the daily yield the the fiveyear yield the seven-year yield so you take all those those durations so the maturities and
then you combine them so let's just say you're looking at the two-year yield versus the 10-year yield if the two-year yield is above the 10-year yield that means it's inverted and so you do all these calculations across the yield curve and how many of those 45 spreads are actually inverted um what we found throughout history is that when you go above the 70% uh threshold or recessionary level is when you start seeing a contraction a contraction in economy and fold and this is the importance of this chart is that we've
been already deeply inverted in the percentage of inversions for about 15 months now we've been above the 70% handle for about 15 months and as you can see here this is by far the the longest period we've seen in history um so what does that mean we back tested this uh all the way to the 70s to look at how do you position yourself in situations like that and what we found is is yeah you can short the market or you can get long treasuries you can be long gold there are all sorts of things
that can work in terms of s classes when you reach that 70% threshold but what really turns out to be the best investment in terms of a hitting rate or success rate that we call really is buying gold and selling stocks Believe It or Not In other words is the gold to S&P 500 ratio so I think it's going to work again personally and and that's that's the the most attractive uh investment position for for using this chart yeah there's a couple things that I see here uh in that uh you know
there's some others during the 70s and 80s you see uh yield curve inversions but it Go dips below that 70% once in a while this time it has just consistently stayed above uh second is that the longer it like this is 15 months on this uh chart and the longer it's stays inverted so for the listeners um the shortterm end of the uh the interest rates so one month and such this is the end of the uh interest rate curve that is more manipulated by the Federal Reserve and the natural state of things
is that investors the the Bond vigilantes uh are trying to look into the future and see how much risk they think there is in loaning their currenc for different periods of time to the government and the longer that uh period of time is like the 30 year the 20 year the 10year uh the uh more they want to charge because the more uncertain uh Things become in the future it's harder to see 30 years in the future than it is one year in the future or one month into the future and so um uh the Natural
State of Affairs is that the longer the duration is the higher the interest rate is and when when you get these Peaks where low interest where low durations now this could happen from some sort of event but uh but normally it's because of Central Bank manipulation that causes the lowend to go high higher interest rate than the long duration uh bonds notes and bills uh and so what I see here is 15 months is 15 months of energy building up in the economy as the economy gets more and more warped uh
from manipulation not allowing the free market to work and that means when it snaps back to equilibrium uh it's going to be even worse for the general economy because the artificial pumping that's going on uh but and it's going to be really bad for the people that are not positioned correctly but it's going to be really good for the people that are because there's much more of wealth transfer that will happen do you agree with all that absolutely and I I would say there is so many important takeaways
from this chart everything you said I agree with um and another macro idea that a lot of people come up with by looking at this chart is note how prior inversions we also had a de inversion meaning the steepening of the Y curve so it says goes above 70% and then after you have an Abrupt move to the downside and so there's a way in the markets you you can bet against that or meaning the steepening of the yield curve or the 80% declining or plunging from those levels and usually that occurs as you have the
recession actually unfolding so it's a really interesting way as well to position in the markets we've been doing that in the twoyear versus 10 30 year uh I'm I'm not trying to be very um uh complex in terms of ideas but that's one thing that in the macro Community as you watch this folding it's it's an important one to uh uh for positioning for a recession as well and it unfolds in in in in stagflationary environments and even deflationary shocks and this is the interesting part of it so it's
another one that we were looking at in in terms of ideas to to invest um now in terms of going to next charts Mike unless you want to go on here further well uh the only thing is that uh in the other events there was the these these pullbacks below the 70% line so some of that energy unwinds here they have been successful and I want normally for for the audience out there normally the recession begins when the yields uh start to revert not invert when they start to go back to normal that's when
the recession begins I'm sorry the recession uh so this soft Landing stuff that they that everybody thinks is actually happening the longer this stays this way the worse the Snapback is going to be so that's my only comment on that just another skewing of the economy do you w to comment or okay well I think it's not as relevant for this so if we go down to keep going lower there's a one there okay this one's just looking at the the Capa for the S&P 500 it's basically showing you
again this goes back to the idea of money not flowing into the the Necessities that we need to run an efficiently a global economy meaning materials Commodities and other boring businesses survive yeah and it shows how we've been throwing all this Capital into technology and forgetting about the rest of the other sectors and remember back in the days technology used to be an very uh you know a type of business that didn't require a lot of capital today is the opposite I mean these is the the most Capital intensive sector of
the economy right now so AI while it is transformative and some great ideas coming up from from the technology advancement it's extremely expensive I mean look at this this yellow line is basically showing you how will the cyclicality of this sector change as this businesses require more and more Capital to grow less and less in terms of revenues because they're already the economy they're too big already so right this is an important chart in terms of the capital flows coming out of this
sector and maybe coming into hard assets businesses that are involved with hard assets Commodities producers and so forth so this is why the importance of this yeah um if we keep going lower I think there's an important chart keep going lower of Commodities in a Range there we go and to me this is a setup I mean we've been in this 18month range where the commodity prices have been kind of going sideways the FED is is cheering on saying that they won the war against inflation essentially they
pivoted uh they changed their stance to from hawkish to now doish and when I look at that and I look at the price of Commodities I don't think they've accomplished anything I mean the underlying issues of Natural Resources being so under Supply have not been fixed at all I mean we're in the business of investing in these companies and access for Capital remains very difficult and so there there is a reason why despite the positioning that comes you know uh can be quite cyclical in markets you're still seeing this range
where commodity price have not left this range for 18 months and if you ask me we're probably going to go through this range and break out and then re accelerate on inflation uh and this chart pairs well with the next one because when you look at the anal list if you'll go to the next chart they're all expecting uh in record amounts uh that inflation is going to decelerate that's what this chart's telling you it's how many of those Investors Bank of America does this research where they
ask their fund managers how many of you think inflation is going to decelerate and guess what it's record levels today they all think inflation is over and what if it isn't what if what if this de globalization problem intensifies again and the container in index goes up a lot more we have a second wave there or what if commodity prices break out from that range that I've been referring to there's so many what ifs when I have you know a a consensus view in markets that is often wrong saying that inflation is
dead and it's not true at all it's very structural and most likely we'll de we'll accelerate again very soon in my opinion we're probably going to get into the second wave of inflation yes I do want want to point out to everybody here that you know this is the peak of the 2007 real estate bubble and this is like you know the global financial crisis this is ' 0809 would be right there so you're talking about we're already way deeper than the bottom of the global financial crisis
than the the uh Banks inflation expectations during that period of time when when the entire world economy just about froze up the entire Financial economy just about stopped um I mean these are crazy levels okay this is like the gem of our whole conversation here or one of them the this and I believe the next chart are the uh the ones that um are what everybody was waiting for so uh we we've shown this chart before I think in one of our conversations but it's worth revisiting yeah it's it's the whole
point of of when you're thinking about buying an asset for the next five to 10 years the biggest idea is to find something that is not crowded in other words uncrowded and at the same time that has the very high potential for changing that dynamic in a large way driving Capital into that asset and then driving the prices a lot higher I think gold is it fits into that whole Theses and the main reason is because you have to look at two polls of capital and here you're looking at one of them them that
is the fund managers the pent funds and all these types of investment strategies that are completely have completely under allocated towards gold and as you can see here 71% of those advisors own Z to 1% allocation in gold and I think the more even striking point about this chart is the very last portion there where it shows that 0% of them own 10% or more so you know I'm going to guess Mike owns more than 10% I don't think they they they survey him or myself but um but certainly this is astonishing and when you look at
central banks as the second poll of capital that is very critical to potentially come in and change the price of the asset meaning gold and you looked at historically what's been happening with gold purchases by central banks yes we're seeing record amounts today which is really positive for gold investors but throughout history they only own less than 20% of their balance sheets in Gold back in the 70s or late 70s early 80s they own close to 80% of their balance sheet in gold and so there is uh
potential for a change of allocation in the M uh across those central banks internationally and I believe it's going to happen so those two polls of capital are yet to come in and change that in a large way and it will create in my view a gold cycle this is why I get so excited about buying gold related businesses because I think that's ultimately where we're going to be making money and probably generational wealth opportunities in the next five to 10 years yeah well I see it this generational wealth opportunity I I
think it we don't have to wait 10 years anymore me I mean I've been waiting I started this started gold investing in 2002 at $315 an ounce and for me I mean I've watched it this whole time and I've watched like these advisors that have no exposure to Gold whatsoever and I've outperformed the S&P like by a factor of six and uh that if if you measure from the beginning of this Century I said decade I I I meant Century if you measure from the beginning of this Century the it's the other than
cryptocurrencies it is the number one performing asset class is precious metals and I just don't see why and it's the safe haven and it's got a floor under it you know it it can't go to zero it's not possible it's a commodity and so it has a certain amount of mining costs and if it goes below the mining costs Supply starts to dry up eventually so it has to eventually catch up with the mining costs so it's it's always got this um minimal downside risk and the upside potential I think has a central
bank guarantee on it the guarantee is that the central banks will always print more currency because they have to mathematically the way a debt-based monetary system works is if you don't continue inflating you die you go into an inflationary depl implosion uh and so um the gold miners to gold ratio do you want to say anything about that hi I just wanted to take a moment and than thank you for subscribing and mention that if you'd like to help our Channel please consider my company goldsilver.com the next time you buy
precious metals we're one of the most trusted names in the industry our prices are sharp delivery is fast and we have an insiders program where you find out exactly what I'm doing with my own Investments thanks for making goldsilver.com your dealer and now back to the video the gold miners to gold ratio do you want to say anything about that well just it's a distress opportunity and and thinking about valuations today and things that are cheap and buying low and selling high this is certainly in a by low category
and miners have just underperformed gold for so long and but when you enter a cycle that doesn't happen usually what you see is is gold miners actually tend to outperform the matter in a large way if you ask me I think we're you know setting the stage for that to happen we're very close to a major Breakout in the mining uh index relative to gold price and if that happens I think we're going to accelerate to the upside and the interesting thing about precious metals overall is that we're seeing this
across the board it's not just miners versus gold I mean just look at the the next chart not necessarily this very next one but I think there's a silver chart that comes after maybe you you want to set the stage for this chart here Mike but it's well your high beta version of gold this is a great title for you know the high beta version of gold so this is uh gold with um uh greater volatility to it basically right yeah I mean I'm I'm younger than you Mike but when I stumble into this chart
I've immediately thought about how do I how do I business you know uh build a business around this because I think smart people that make a lot of money in the markets are the ones that identify big macro Trends and build vehicles to invest in those ideas and there are so many ways you could do this you can just start by buying silver or you can just actually build a mining company investing mining companies there's so many different ways to skin the cab and when I stumble into this chart I was
immediately you know thinking my brain just couldn't stop thinking about what do I do to participate in this because I believe strongly that the gold cycle will start and it will be one of the most important historical breakouts we're going to see in the history of the m and if that happens the high beta version of the go of gold is silver and I think silver is going to break out and won't um just retest the prior highs it's going to go likely go much higher than that and so how do I find leverage
without using debt uh but really looking for smart ways to allocate capital of myself my clients and family to than uh to really Express that view in the markets where if silver does break out I really capitalize on this and so to me this is absolutely critical for those that haven't seen this chart yet it's just basically showing the quarterly candles of silver going back to the 80s and 70s and you can see you know the the prior highs of the 70s and 80s um and the the hunters brothers and then you
have the um that later that you have in 2011 and other High that we retested that created a double top and we've had a a large decline coming from there and now we've been sort of consolidating in this below this resistance that goes back to 2011 which is what the line is suggesting and if you ask me we're going to break out and go much much higher and if that's the case you have to ask the question how do I how do I expose myself to that breakout and that's that's why I
spent most of my time thinking uh to be to be quite honest yeah you know I I do have a couple of comments on this chart because first you know for the audience uh name another uh asset that is still below its 1980 highs and has not exceeded it on the uh the Chicago amk steal Exchange in January of 1980 gold hit 5250 the peak was 48 in 2011 so it still has not broken that 1980 high and then uh um I tend I sort of allow the gold silver ratio to dictate what I'm going to buy there are times when uh there's like
during covid uh both Metals crashed and uh the silver went down so much but there was so much fear that I wanted to buy gold everybody wanted to buy gold uh BEC and that's what you think of during a panic event except the gold silver r ratio went up to 120 I couldn't buy gold when silver was one 120th of the price and so I I made I bought some large uh positions in silver down there at the bottom of that dip uh and so of My Precious Metals Holdings uh the the value of them is more than 90% silver
it's it's probably only 5% gold and it's all because of allowing the gold silver when it's when we get to gold silver ratios uh under uh 50 then I only buy gold I don't buy silver but it's been over 50 I mean there was only during that peak of 48 bucks was the only time that it's been under uh 50 for any uh you know for for a few months back then I would not allow myself to buy silver because silver was uh sort of overvalued I I bought only gold and uh then uh when it went back down uh I started buying
lots of silver again so uh it's all that's in my book uh so uh do you want to say anything about the last chart treasury is more volatile than gold well yeah because the last last um I was really trying to think about what are some of the most important charts of 2023 uh to me and and and that I've worked on and to me this is it this is the fact that we now have gold less volatile than treasuries that's what this chart really means it's looking at the downside volatility of one asset
versus the other and it's basically saying that in the last 45 years gold has always been more volatile than treasuries for the first time in 45 years gold is now less volatile than gold than treasuries and so what does that mean if you're holding a large portfolio where you worry about risk and you worry about the downside of equity markets and volatility and you're trying to suppress that in your in your pfolio gold may be an alternative and as I showed in that chart that 70% of them
own zero% of gold you know those are the types of metrics that that bring that Capital back to the gold space so so this chart is saying that you know the ultimate Safe Haven investment that has no counterparty risk that you can actually hold in your hand bury in your backyard uh lock in a safe uh have it in insured storage somewhere uh is actually you know it's it's the ultimate Safe Haven that people run back to and right now it's absolutely proving it it is uh uh being so much more stable than and
that's measured against a fiat currency you're measuring this against uh the percent change in dollars of bonds versus gold right that's what you're measuring that's right yeah you're measuring a dollar amount change and this is more stable than us treasuries current so uh anything you want to say here at the end and wrap this up and and wrap this up I mean often people say that you know silver prices have underperformed for so many decades and we still have not retested the Hunt Brothers uh peaked
uh and to me that's just a u you know a reason to be interested in in the asset and the reason the whole reason is the fact that it hasn't yet underperformed uh outperformed other things and and it's so off the Raider and if gold is off the Raider then silver is that in steroids and so to me it's why I think it's such an a critical asset to own the next years and and and why it's so relevant to uh to my Theses and yours as well yeah you know uh you mentioned the Hunt Brothers uh Peak uh I interviewed
Jeff Christian of CPM group years and years ago was like 2005 and I've I've I've I never put out the video but in there I asked him about the Hunt Brothers Peak because I had a theory that the Hunt Brothers were sort of used as scapegoats to actually cap the price of gold uh and because silver is such a small Market compared to gold and both of them were taking off and the Hunt Brothers were the only single entity that was hugely V uh vulnerable to a manipulation and uh he said to me that
uh the Hunt Brothers added 50 to 75 cents at most to the price it was really the public changing their preference from gold to Silver as gold became perceived to be too expensive it had been $35 an ounce at the end of the Breton Woods system in 71 August of 71 and by November of uh 1979 it had passed the 400 Mark and so it had already gone up more than tenfold and uh you know the average income in 1970 9 was uh about $99,000 a year it wasn't you know it's less than $10,000 a year and so somebody a guy uh that was
in his uh 40s or something might go into a the bank uh and withdraw 500 bucks which may have been a large percentage of his life savings rush into a coin shop and say I want to buy buy gold too and they Dro one coin in his hand he goes oh is that all I can get and how much is the silver well you can get x amount of those for each and so it's the public changing their preference that uh caused it and uh because the Hunt Brothers got Charmed by margin in the the first half of their buying was there
was no margin they weren't playing future they were they were buying Futures but they were taking delivery and flying the bars to Switzerland uh uh and then the second half of their buying though they went out not on The Leverage of just playing Futures and they had such a large position that they became vulnerable and the Commodities exchange did position limits they kept on changing they changed the rules on them three different times and it was when they finally implemented a rule that says that until this rule is lifted the
price of silver can only go down when you're doing liquidation orders only meaning that you can only close out old Futures contracts you can't really open a new one liquidation orders only basically is a a rule like a law price of silver can only go down and most of the uh the Floor Traders and and the brokerage houses they're trading both and there's a lot of investors that were trading both and so what do you think the uh guys in the gold pit on the Commodities floor are saying to
themselves when silver has just been capped they're saying oh my God if they can do that to Silver they can do it that we're next and so there's a reason that gold and silver peaked on the same day and I really after going through a stack of books like this uh to the back uh this was about um back in 2010 or 11 I wrote a an article about uh The Hunt The Hunt Brothers were used to cap the price of gold and uh I there was a reason Paul vuler the chairman of the Federal Reserve was involved in some of
these decisions the uh Commodities and Futures Trading commission uh you know in all of these things so I I find it fascinating but I can't find another asset that is as undervalued as silver that's the important takeaway from all this what's your opinion oh I'm with you I I can I dream about that chart every day I I would marry that chart they'll tell my wife okay this chart right here this chart right here yes this is one of the most bullish charts I've ever seen so I want to thank everybody for
watching please like And subscribe and toi where can people find you uh at Tavi kosa at Twitter on Twitter and also atc.net in our website you can also find our stuff but thank you very much Mike and happy New Year to you thank you and we'll see you next time
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